Preview to CeBIT: PC-B16 and PC-A61

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With CeBIT, one of the largest computer expos, coming up we wanted to preview two of our upcoming mid-tower models to the community: PC-B16 and PC-A61.

These two models share the same internal design; the difference being that the PC-B16 has a noise-reducing front door for silent system operation.

Major features of the PC-B16 and PC-A61 include:

  • Full aluminum construction
  • Modular 5.25” bay
  • Tool-less HDD bay system (first introduced on the PC-A51)
  • Top 240/280mm radiator support with 60mm of spacing
  • Front 240mm radiator support
  • Generous cable management support – 30mm space behind the MB tray

As these two new cases are not in the final stages yet, we do welcome your feedback, and after making changes according to community input, we will debut the finalized PC-B16 and PC-A61 at CeBIT.

Let us know what you think.

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89 comments:

Neil SullivanFebruary 11, 2014 at 9:24 pmReply

Hi,

This is a great looking case. I really like the HDD mounting system.

I see that the 5.25″ drive bay mount is removable, and that the fans are mounted onto a plate, which is in turn, mounted to the chassis.

Would you consider an add-on kit that let the user mount a fan where the 5.25″ bays are to allow a direct path of airflow to the CPU cooler? If you used a similar fan – plate – chassis mounting method it could even include mounting holes to allow a 360mm radiator to be used in the front of the case, increasing consumer appeal.

Lian Li TechFebruary 12, 2014 at 1:58 amReply

Hi Neil,

We are definitely looking into that option. With the setup you described, depending on the user’s storage setup, very think radiators would be able to be installed in the front of the chassis.

Thanks for your feedback

KevinFebruary 12, 2014 at 8:02 amReply

PC-B16 makes me wet. I would drop $250 on that case easily. Love the removable drive cages. Sorry I don’t have better feedback but that is a very sexy case.

Lian Li TechFebruary 12, 2014 at 8:13 amReply

Thanks. I’m a bit frightened on what you would do with the PC-B16. :D

xyzFebruary 12, 2014 at 10:12 amReply

I like:
- much space behind mb tray
- 170mm CPU Cooler support

I dislike:
- the top should be completely closed, I don’t want fan holes there. I prefer a clean look.
- the side panels should be completey closed, please no window/fan holes etc. I prefer a clean look

I hope:
- that the HDD decoupling solution works. Cause in my PC-9F, it doesn’t work at all. And that’s very annoying.

Conclusion:
If the side and top panels will be completey closed and the decoupling solution works, I would definitely consider upgrading from my PC-9F

xyzFebruary 12, 2014 at 10:15 amReply

Edit: I also hope that the aluminum is thicker than in my PC-9F and that the side panels can be screwed from both sides to further decrease vibrations. Thumbscrews should be on both sides of the side panels to fix them, everything else is not strong enough. And hey: Thumbscrews are already tool-less, so no disadvantage

xyzFebruary 12, 2014 at 10:39 amReply

Edit2: I also very much like the modularity of the HDD slots, that’s really great!

TheLostSwedeFebruary 12, 2014 at 10:39 amReply

Please, please, please don’t put a touch sensitive power button on it, I have a PC-B25F that I’m looking for a replacement for, as I have a cat and it likes sitting on top of the case, but half of the time when it jumps up, it steps on the touch sensitive power button and switches off my computer…

Also, will there be an option of getting more drive trays? I have zero need for the 5.25″ drive bays, as I can’t remember when I last used an optical drive, but I have more than five internal 2.5/3.5″ drives.

Any chance for 140mm fans in the front? There seems to be plenty space for it.

On the topic of fans, the rubber grommets used for vibration reduction of the fans tend to dry out, I’ve had to replace all the ones on my current case, as the pre-fitted fans started to fail after about two years and I had to not only replace the fans, but also the grommets, which are very hard to buy.

I’m curious, why no more quick release latches for the add-in cards and why the move back to 7 from 8 rear slots?

Otherwise it looks like a pretty tempting upgrade path from the PC-B25F.

KenFebruary 12, 2014 at 10:47 amReply

Too bad its standard 120mm fans again and too many 5.25 bays. When will you drop 120mm fans and go 140+mm fans only?
I currently own a Lian Li PC-8FI and wish you would make a model like the Fractal Design Define R4 with 6 to 8 3.5 inch harddisk bays inside, 140mm fans and enough space on top between fans/watercooler and motherboard. Some do video editing and need the harddisk bays for raid setups!
I like the aluminium and light ATX cases you make, but please drop the 120mm fans and put at least 6+ 3.5 inch harddisk bays in it.
Still waiting for the perfect case. Keep up the good works!

Lian Li TechFebruary 12, 2014 at 1:35 pmReply

Hi Ken,

In these two cases, the 5.25″ cage which houses 3 5.25″ bays is completely modular meaning that are newly designed indiviual 3.5″/2,5″ bays can be placed in the 5.25″ cage space if desired. This gives users flexibility to use space as they see fit. So in total up to 9 3.5″ can be mounted in the case.

We are looking into making the front fans interchangeable for 120mm or 140mm fans, not yet decided if will keep the 120mm stock though.

The top of the case can house a 240 or 280mm radiator and there is 60mm of spacing front the top of the case to the motherboard allowing most radiator setups to be easily installed.

Thanks for your feedback

KenFebruary 12, 2014 at 4:17 pmReply

Thanks for the clear info.

If you remove the 5.25 bays housing, that means you can only use the top 5.25 bay to install a blu ray burner only right? Or can you still use the top 3 bays? I would like to install a bluray burner, a tray that holds 2 removable 2.5 inch harddisks so i can swap boot drives and the 3rd 5.25 bay i would use for my Lian Li CR036(?) memorycard reader. Will it still be possible to install 6-8 3.5inch harddisks in this situation?

Maybe you can have 140mm screwholes near the 120mm fans so the user can replace them?

Please keep the cases coming in silver color; i just dislike black dusty cases. Don’t understand why people all want black…it just absorbs heat.

KenFebruary 12, 2014 at 4:33 pmReply

EDIT: Any 140mm side fans in consideration too? I guess i am still pointing to the Fractal case :-) . If that case had 3x 5.25 bays and be of aluminium it would be perfect for me.

FYI…one problem i encountered with my current PC-8FI was that the motherboard 4 pins socket was conflicting if you put a top fan. What i did to resolve was cutting out 1 corner of my 140mm top fan. So hope you take into consideration when designing cases. Some motherboards just have this 4 pins socket on weird locations.

Lian Li TechFebruary 13, 2014 at 2:03 amReply

Hi Ken,

“If you remove the 5.25 bays housing, that means you can only use the top 5.25 bay to install a blu ray burner only right? Or can you still use the top 3 bays?” -> The removable 5.25″ cage encompasses 3 5.25″ bays so if you were to install a blu-ray player in the non-modular 5.25″ and use two of the 5.25″ bays in the 5.25″ cage you can still install 6 3.5″/2.5″ drives.

We are looking into the 140mm fan option.

Thanks

KenFebruary 14, 2014 at 7:24 pmReply

Better make the case 3x 5.25 drive bays only so I can I install 7x 3.5inch harddisks :-) . Three 5.25 drive bays is the maximum. Will the silver 5.25 to 3.5 converter trays (MF-515 model) still fit in these cases?

Olaf van der SpekFebruary 12, 2014 at 10:53 amReply

Would it be possible to support 2x 140mm front intakes, perhaps by having only 2 or 3 5.25″ bays?

Lian Li TechFebruary 12, 2014 at 1:29 pmReply

Since the 5.25″ cage is removable it is definitely possible. We are looking into adding the mounts and screw holes so that it will be easy to mount the fans stock.

Olaf van der SpekFebruary 12, 2014 at 6:09 pmReply

So it’s either 1 or 4 5.25″ bays? Losing 3 bays just for 140mm fans is a big tradeoff, IMO 140mm fans should be standard.

michaelFebruary 12, 2014 at 11:17 amReply

How much space for cabling does the pc-a16 have behind the motherboard tray ?
Do you plan to add dust filters to the top ?
would be great if theres an option to get a cleaner look if one doesnt want to use the 5 1/4″ bays and cover with it
a single 4x 5 1/4″ plate. You could also add more fan mounts with such option and make it easy to install a 360mm rad to the front of the case.
The window should be on the inside of the case door… really !

Lian Li TechFebruary 12, 2014 at 1:42 pmReply

Hi Michael,

There is 30mm of spacing behind the MB tray, and dust filters are included at the top of the case.
We are looking into the fan mount option, and nice idea on the 5.25″ cover.

KuroNekoFebruary 12, 2014 at 1:44 pmReply

I like the version with the door in front a lot, however I very much dislike the fans on top. I want my case to be very subdued, I don’t need elaborate cooling, just standard front and back is enough by far if you’re not a gamer. The top grill looks to me positively ugly and would mean a no-sale for me. Currently I hav a Lian Li case and am looking for a new one but no brand seems to be able to design a case these days without all these exessive holes in top and side of the case, so I stick with my 10 year old case for now. Maybe someday…

Bernard BurrowsFebruary 12, 2014 at 2:24 pmReply

Maybe make the psu cabe managment hole a bit lower down and longer back towards the back of the case. Also some cuts out to go under the motherboard for front pannel and audio. Great to see 30mm behind the motherboard tray. Optional 2 140s at the front and maybe a fan bracket to go where hard/ssd drives are not used. Is there an option to run the front pannel conecters down behind the drive cages instead of through the top cable grommet (cleaner look)?

You are going in the right direction with the build of the case so far and good luck.

Thanks for your time,
Bernard.

londisteFebruary 12, 2014 at 2:41 pmReply

- modular 5.25″ bay(s) and new hdd tray system (that doesn’t block most of the airflow like old one) are definitely good things.
- definitely add a mount to put fan(s) where 5.25″ bay usually is. you’ve had that in some of the older cases and would be very useful.
- maybe an additional vent (with a filter underneath) for fan or two at the bottom?
- you should (at least as an option) offer a closed cover for the top hole. would be very helpful when computer is in a dusty environment.
- is there a reason that vent under psu is designed with slits like it is? a more open solution might be more favored by most users.
- are you also thinking about making matx cases with same/similar internal layout?

CoFebruary 12, 2014 at 2:52 pmReply

Hi,
I like the PC-B16 the most. ;)

I like:

- The door off-course . That said it looks like it is not double hinged which I prefer, because till now my cases are
always placed @ the right side of me and it look like the door as it is now opens the wrong way for me.
- The lock. But it looks like you can pull of the front panel easily (like the Lian Li PC-70 & PC-60 I have)and when you also
can get easily access via side panel because they’re not lockable, the lock just looks useless.
- The HDD mounting system, it’s like its floating in the case…but it looks also like it’s very vibration sensitive even when it
has rubber mount to screw the HDD in?
- much space behind mobo tray

I dislike:

- The top and side panels should be completely closed, I dislike window/fan holes etc. I prefer a clean look. You can always offer those things in after sales. .
- 4!! 5.25” external drive bays is too much, 2 would be enough.

I hope the price would be reasonable in Europe…I live in the Netherlands and prices fore these kind of product are usually expensive ( and imo to high. Example 250 dollars = 250 euro’s)

MircoFebruary 12, 2014 at 3:01 pmReply

Both models are pretty nice.
But for me usability is more important then design.
So i was disappointed with older models by lian li, because they didn’t have slots for 2.5” SSDs. But 2.5” SSDs are common, now and more user install two or more SSDs. Is there any Slots for 2.5” drive?
Another practical point is the bottom filter. Every 3 month i have to cleant it up. And every time i have to lift up the whole computer to clean the filter. It would be great if you redesign the filter, that the filter is in a rail, so that user can pull the filter from front and after cleaning push back.
Last one: I wish it will be also great if there is a possibility for to buy without fans already installed.

Lian Li TechFebruary 13, 2014 at 2:19 amReply

Hi Mirco,

Thanks for your feedback.

All all the hard drive bays either take 3.5″ or 2.5″ drives so you can install up to 9 hard drives in any combination.

We can look into another mechanism for the filter.

I don’t think we will be able to offer a option to buy our chassis without fans. You can always replace the fans or remove them if you don’t want them. :)

DaanFebruary 12, 2014 at 4:18 pmReply

Love it.
(Except for the frontpanel/door. That would have to come off)

Kevin CobleyFebruary 12, 2014 at 6:06 pmReply

Only 2 OD trays needed nobody uses them anymore, I’ve only ever used 2 at the most, don’t do much burning anymore an only have one drive now. Haven’t seen a floppy for over ten years.

Lian Li TechFebruary 13, 2014 at 2:25 amReply

Hi Kevin,

Thanks a lot for your feedback.

We agree that the usefulness of 5.25″ bays is less and less. However, some people do use them for fan controllers as well as reservoirs. With that in mind we designed these cases to offer flexibility to users so they can decide if they want to use the 5.25″ bays or just take them out thanks to the removable 5.25″ cage.

Flexible and modular designs are what we strive for.

ZoroastreFebruary 12, 2014 at 8:21 pmReply

Hello, have you planned a case without 5.14 bay? At almost all of dematerialized this seems to be a good initiative

cordially

Lian Li TechFebruary 13, 2014 at 2:29 amReply

We do have several M-ITX cases without 5.25″ bays. We haven’t committed fully to a midtower without a 5.25″. With these cases we do try to address the issue by offering a modular 5.25″ cage.

Thanks for your feedback.

bertrandFebruary 12, 2014 at 8:41 pmReply

un cache pour l’alimantation et les cable et une plus grande baie vitré

MichaelFebruary 12, 2014 at 9:19 pmReply

As i am (still a happy) PC-B10 user for many years, i would like to see that some short comings of this case will be solved:

- An easy to replace dust filter on the front of the case. This is a complete nightmare on the PC-B10, you have to screw the whole front of (including the door) to clean the dust filter.
- Easier removal of the harddisk bays.
- Bigger fans, at least 140mm. Bigger = Lower noise and more air will be moved.
- On the pics i see 4 5,25 inch slots. 2 is really more then enough these days. Who uses more then 1 blu-ray and/or DVD-burner / player in his PC? Most people don’t use it all (including me). All they use are USB flash drives, and i have all my data stored digitally on a NAS. Even 2 5,25 inch slots are too much for some people, and 4 for sure. With 2 slots there is more space for harddrives / SSD’s, or airflow.
- A bigger hole for the CPU cooler, but it looks like you guys already did that job. On the PC-B10 the hole is too small for most big coolers.

I think that’s about it for now, the other things are already in the case (like USB 3.0 ports, top cooling etc.) Maybe a lower price, i paid back in the days about 200 euro’s for the PC-B10, that’s very very expensive for a case. But i guess the thick aluminium is making it more expensive.

Lian Li TechFebruary 13, 2014 at 2:35 amReply

Hi Michael,

Thanks for your feedback.

A lot of our cases since the B10 do feature of pop-off front panel for easy access to the filters – the PC-B16 and PC-A61 do as well.

For the 5.25″ bays, we do agree these bays are becoming less and less useful. That is why in these cases we made the 5.25″ cage removable so users can decide how they want to use the space – for 5.25″ drives, storage drives, or whatever their imagination can create.

MarkusFebruary 13, 2014 at 3:26 pmReply

I wonder how well the door and the pop-off front will work together.
Hopefully opening the door (incl. some heavier insulation foam) doesn’t pop off the the front.

Lian Li TechFebruary 14, 2014 at 2:22 amReply

Hi Markus,

We have been using the pop-off front panel for many of our models recently, and we haven’t experienced any issue as you mention above.

Here is an example of how the pop-off front panel works.

http://youtu.be/xrcRn4ityGI?t=35s

MarkusFebruary 14, 2014 at 2:01 pmReply

Thanks for pointing out but I know how well it works for solid front panels (e.g. PC-7HX) but as I said I’m wondering how well it works for a front with a door. E.g. on B-16 concept.

I doubt it will hold it if you open the door quickly (especially with heavy dampening attached). The lock is basically useless if you can pop off the front.

EricFebruary 13, 2014 at 3:10 pmReply

PC-B10 was one of the cases we used for a long time. Sad to see it’s off the shelves without
any real replacement.

I always hoped for an updated PC-B10 with the following features:
- thicker aluminium (it really had vibration issues)
- all black interior
- better decoupling solution (and thicker! frame for hdd cage)
- backplane solution (maybe even a small afterbuy 4x or 5×2,5 cage with backplane
- more space for hdds (mounting compatible for 2.5″), less 5,25″ bays
- front intakes with filter slinding in from side
- front fans up to 2x 140mm

Please consider it!

mgdFebruary 12, 2014 at 9:41 pmReply

I would like to see an option for third fan in front of PC-B16 instead of the three lower 5,25″ bays. One 5,25″ bay is enough. 120mm quality fans are easier to find, so stay with 120mm(front).
Classy case pc-b16, cant wait to release it.

french-manFebruary 12, 2014 at 10:47 pmReply

Hi,

Sorry for my enlish, but I’m so sorry about computer cases (all off them)
Why is there no one with an optical drive (slot in for exemple) on the left-hand side (or the right) ?
it will be original, and offer a new possibility on the front uncluttered

cordialy

french-manFebruary 12, 2014 at 10:52 pmReply

edit: the window seem a little too big: I prefere when we don’t see hard drives case
the esthetic is more on the system motherbord/CPUFAN/GPU/LED/FAN, but not drives (optical or hard)

sorry again for my english.

EricFebruary 13, 2014 at 3:14 pmReply

I agree.

SynlessFebruary 12, 2014 at 10:57 pmReply

I found the plexiglass windows very cheap, with the screws outiside. The plexiglass inside, hold with everything but visible screws will be way better (as FD R4 window or Corsair 800d).
I like the black paint job inside the case, it was about time …

WorkstationErFebruary 13, 2014 at 3:05 amReply

Would love it if it would come in a silver window version. I would buy that. I love Lian li’s aluminum window cases.

I’ve been looking for a case for us workstation users that can accommodate CEB that need not be a full tower. If a CEB motherboard would fit in this, it would be nice. I love all the features so far as long as it has anti vibration features, sound dampening, enough filters and good air cooling support.

bumblebeeFebruary 13, 2014 at 6:09 amReply

Pro:
- Sliding cover for USB ports (very cool!!!), all USB 3.0 ports
- Modular internal design
- Overall very stylish cases

To be improved:
- Please add an option to completely close the top cover.
- Dust filter on the bottom should be removable without lifting the case up.

Would be great:
- An option for pre-installed sound dampening material for the PC-B16. This would make it consistently a silent case.

bumblebeeFebruary 13, 2014 at 6:16 amReply

Looks, like in picture s4.jpg an older revision would be shown, because this is not a sliding cover for the USB ports. Am I right?

Lian Li TechFebruary 13, 2014 at 6:29 amReply

Yes, you are correct. That is an older revision, the current one has a sliding cover. Good eye!

bumblebeeFebruary 13, 2014 at 7:39 amReply

And what do you think about the following points?
- closed top cover
- option for pre-installed sound dampening material

EricFebruary 13, 2014 at 3:18 pmReply

imho there should be 2 editions:
one for water cooling/modding
(top cover with holes, front option for 360 rad)

one for aircooled systems and system integrators
(closed top, no window, front fans up to 140mm)

If there’s only 1 option it should be closed with rad top cover as optional extra.

“preinstalled sound dampening?”
I vote against it. It raises cost and most builders of silent systems have their own favorite for the dampening anyway. Maybe a precut set could be ordered as an option?

Lian Li TechFebruary 14, 2014 at 2:17 amReply

For the closed top cover, it is more likely that we would have solid cover as an accessory, rather than two different versions.

We are also looking into adding sound dampening foam in the PC-B16, as we have in our previous B series (silent) models, such as the PC-B10.

Thanks for your feedback

TioupFebruary 13, 2014 at 8:19 amReply

The PC-B16 is really nice, do you plan on making a micro atx version with only 1x 5″1/4 bay ?

TioupFebruary 13, 2014 at 8:30 amReply

PC-B16 could have sound dampening foam all around and anti vibration pads for the power supply !

Lian Li TechFebruary 14, 2014 at 2:27 amReply

Hi Tioup,

Thanks for your feedback. The PC-B16 and the PC-A61 do indeed have anti-vibration pads for the PSU, and we are thinking of adding sound-dampening foam to the PC-B16 to make it an even more silent case.

HarmFebruary 13, 2014 at 10:52 amReply

What is the distance between the top cover centre holes? Is it 15 or 20mm?

Could you make it so that both the 15 and the 20mm distance top cover centre holes are there for maximum water cooling compatibility?

Lian Li TechFebruary 14, 2014 at 2:28 amReply

Hi Harm,

It is 15mm.

HarmFebruary 14, 2014 at 2:21 pmReply

Ok, thx for andwering.

Can you make it so that it will include both 15 and 20mm?

HarmFebruary 14, 2014 at 4:19 pmReply

I’m asking this because for example the NZXT Kraken X60 15mm spacing and the Corsair H105 has 20mm spacing between the holes.

HarmFebruary 14, 2014 at 6:42 pmReply

I meant the Corsair H110.

nnFebruary 13, 2014 at 2:00 pmReply

B16 is very interesting. I’ve been considering PC-7H for some time, but silver B16 looks better to me.

I agree with some ideas already mentioned in previous posts:
- 2x 140 mm fan in the front
- as for the top panel (http://www.lian-li.com/lianliblog/files/2014/02/s4.jpg), it should be either closed permanently (I mean no holes/mesh at all) or at least covered in the similar manner as it is for PC-7H (http://www.lian-li.com/en/files/2013/01/gall-7hx-28.jpg) = less noise, less dust
- no holes/vents on side panels; I prefer clean look here.
- as bumblebee mentioned: >Dust filter on the bottom should be removable without lifting the case up

EricFebruary 13, 2014 at 3:07 pmReply

Interesting Ideas.
We’ll definitely visit Cebit to have a look at PC-B16.

Pros:
+ 30mm behing mainboard tray
+ cable clamps+management
+ Front Door (really helps to keep it silent)
+ 170mm space for cpu cooler
+ fresh ideas
+ all black

Cons:
- design of venting holes behind door, the 2 vertical stripes somewhat kill it
- only 120mm fans in front
- is there any filter for the front intakes?
- top cover design should be solid by default

From a system integrator’s view
concerned about:
- transport safety with hard drives installed
- hard drive decoupling/vibration (I really hoped for a new method but I’m concerned whether this one will finally work to reduce vibration noises)
- there it isn’t possible to get a backplane option with the mounting mechanism, is it?
- usefulness of lock if you can remove the front
- can you change door hinges to the right (doubt it due to led positions)?
- 5,25 bezel may scratch front door if client ejects drive (happens easily e.g. starting burn process without disc)
- top panel sliding door scratches easily, sliding mechanism could be better
- thin material (sorry to say, but Lian-Li has reduced it a bit too much over the years)

MarkusFebruary 13, 2014 at 3:23 pmReply

I didn’t consider the transport issue with hdds pre-installed but you’re probably right.
Quite a drawback for system builders.

SamsiFebruary 13, 2014 at 3:49 pmReply

PC-B16
Please make the hole in bottom for the psu to be a 140mm instead of 120mm
And make the top of the chassi closed instead of being open, but still make the option of putting 2 fans 140mm in the top.
and 3 5.25 in the front is enough

ChrissFebruary 13, 2014 at 4:39 pmReply

I am completly agree with bumblebee. These cases are very stylish but they need closed top cover and (pre-)installed sound dampening material for PC-B16

DaanFebruary 13, 2014 at 5:21 pmReply

Could you give a rough estimate on pricepoint and launchdate? Nothing final, obviously.

I totally agree with mgd on the fans. Please keep it like that. Quality 120 mm fans are easier to find and two will more than suffice. The one on my PC-7Plus, yeah, that gets a little noisy. But its about time I retire that case, in favour of one of these, probably. Well, depending on launchdate.

I personally like the open grille (or whatever you call it) on top, but I can see how a closed cover makes more sense. More practical and flexible, less trendy.

lleslie1557February 14, 2014 at 1:26 amReply

Why are there no lian li cases with more room in the top of the case for water cooling like a Corsair h100 with push and pull. Take a look at Corsair 500R case. Your Pc-7H would only need a slight redesign to hold a H100 or similar radiator water cooling.

lumbagooFebruary 14, 2014 at 11:54 amReply

hello! mes hopes for your new products: two 5.25 in front panel (b ray+cards), two 140 mm front fans; pwm fans or no fans (we are in 2014); compatibility with lian li old parts (filters, toolless pci…); customs with blue ring like lian li b25… Thank you

Paul DaltonFebruary 14, 2014 at 5:52 pmReply

PC-B16: MAKE FRONT DOOR REVERSIBLE. Many need a door that opens the other way, due to placement of the PC. Often, a customer needs to place the PC where a wall is immediately to the right of the case, making access difficult when the door opens to the left. Being able to rotate the door so it can open to the right is a huge benefit.

Case door hinges should be designed such that the parts most likely to get broken (the pins) are easily replaceable. When the hinge pins are permanently affixed to the chassis side, this is not possible and, as a result, when a pin is broken, the door must be discarded. Therefore, door hinge pins on PC cases should be on the DOOR side, NOT the chassis side, and ALWAYS should be part of a replaceable hinge assembly. That way, when a hinge pin is broken, the hinge assembly can be replaced and the door can continue to be used, rather than discarded.

Assuming that logic already is applied in the PC-B16 design shown here (I cannot tell from the photo), there must be existing hinge holes on the left front (top and bottom) of the chassis where the door attaches. That door can be made reversible by simply including hinge holes on the RIGHT front (top and bottom) of the chassis so the owner can remove the door, rotate it 180 degrees, and attach the door’s hinges on the right side of the chassis.

On the front of the chassis, add a slot on the left side for the door lock. (it will make holes in the front of the chassis appear symmetrical anyway). (If you don’t want that additional slot, at least stamp it so the customer can cut the hole).

Also the “Lian Li” logo on the front should be able to be rotated 180 degrees (so it displays properly when the door is rotated).

EricFebruary 17, 2014 at 1:40 pmReply

The door cannot be rotated 180° with this design due to LED/Lock position.

Or Lian-Li could ditch the lock and make the hinges interchangable (mountable on either side without rotating the door).

It’s pretty obvious that no case can be “the case to rule them all”.
That’s why I opted for one variant for modders/watercooling and one flexible standard case (closed top/side).

ChrisFebruary 15, 2014 at 2:26 amReply

Hi. I really like the look of the PC-A61 and A51, but for the A61 would it be possible to put the USB ports/power button on the front somewhere instead of the top? I am not sure of your reasoning for that location, but I think they would be more accessible on the front. The top works if you put the case on the floor, but a lot of people like myself like to have it on the desk (less dust that way too).

Also, I have seen some tech news sites talk about you releasing the A51, but people (including myself) don’t seem to understand why you have a reverse airflow system in it. With the intake fan right above the GPU, the hot air from the GPU (if it’s a blower style) will go right back into the case.

AericFebruary 15, 2014 at 5:19 pmReply

Good looking case but in this day you do not need 4 5.25 bays and since it can hold 6+ HDD and lian-li has discontinued most of their 5.25 hdd cages that is wasted space.
I like the front of the PC-10N with the power button on the front and USB ports off to the side.
Why delete the reset? Sure it is not used often but when you need it I’d hate to have to open my case and do it from the motherboard.
Lian li should offer a new sound deadening kit like dynamat for users to further insulate them.
Lian li did have such a kit but it appears discontinued as well.

Will extra drive trays be available to buy?

Glad to see Lian li finally got around to putting grommets in, I had to make my own for a PC-7HX to keep cables from getting shaved.

Looks good to customize to your liking, hope the price is decent.

EricFebruary 17, 2014 at 1:47 pmReply

Didn’t notice they dropped the reset button. Good catch.
@Lian-Li: please don’t.

Some of our clients had problems with the PC-10N USB ports as well and had to use extension cables to be able to insert all of their usb devices (due to the sloped edge). Imho the B16 needs the top panel so you can use the ports with the door closed.

HenkrikFebruary 15, 2014 at 6:04 pmReply

Case looks good, both of them. Just remove the two lower 5.25 bays for optical drives and increase both front fan sizes to 140mm insted. Shuld lead to better cooling/lower noise and maby more HDD’s in the bays. Nobody needs more than two DVD/Blu-ray readers anyway.

All dust filters shuld be easily cleanable and removable.

HDD cagages shuld not lead any vibrations to the cage. Hard to tell now but metall to metall isnt ideal..

Lian Li TechFebruary 18, 2014 at 7:00 amReply

Hi Henkrik,

The 3.5″ drives when mounted in the HDD bays don’t actually touch the bottom of the bays. It is firmly locked into place between the grommets on the sides of the bay, therefore there isn’t metal on metal contact. Additionally, there is an anti-vibration strip on the bay that touches the tray – further reducing vibration.

MarcFebruary 17, 2014 at 12:51 pmReply

Love the look of the case, but I have a couple of niggles.

Firstly, the door should be swappable! My case sits to the right of me on my desk, and I bet a lot of people have similar setups.

The case being on the right of me on my desk brings me to the second point: topmounted buttons and input are a pain! They should be frontmounted. Perhaps in a style similar to Corsair’s Obisidian 550D case with a cutout in the door. Another way to do it would be to have the door sized shorter than the height of the case and have the buttons and inputs either above or below the door.

DanielFebruary 17, 2014 at 4:08 pmReply

It looks like these hdd bays are almost made for a “hotplug” add-on. Very nice. I would love to see a chassis designed with hotplug slots for hdds. It would open for a much cleaner build.
Maybe get rid of all or all but one of the 5.25 slots, make room fans.

Would love to see a mini-itx and/or mini-atx version without the 5.25 slots and a bunch of hotplug 3,5 and/or 2,5″ slots.

Also please have a version with soundproofing instead of the window. I like my computers silent way more than i like to see their insides.

Bernard BurrowsFebruary 17, 2014 at 6:12 pmReply

Hi,

Lower the bottom grommet for the psu cables a bit and make it a bit wider. Have some cut outs uder the motherboard for front pannel contecters and 2 140 fans as opiton for front intakes.

AericFebruary 18, 2014 at 4:52 amReply

I notice the top grommet if a radiator was placed there or just a fan it appears it will block this and/or the cables going through will be extremely close to the fan and possibly get his by the blades unless they are zip tied around it.

I just hope the 30mm in back is enough when it comes to putting power to the sata drives as some companies the power leads are too long between connectors and you need to bend them which is not ideal for stress on the connector.
This is the reason I had to buy hot swap back planes for my pc-7hx, the cables were too long and when the side door was put on put severe stress on my hard drives. The last thing you want to do is snap off your connector and kill your drive.

I also agree with others the amount of 5.25 could be reduced down. I have one BD burner and that is all I need.

mister magooFebruary 22, 2014 at 1:37 pmReply

Whatever is the solution of cooling chosen (air, watercooling or mix), you have to plan an air supply being freshly enough inside the case for the gamer configurations (the pc 7hx have two front fans 140 mm, can be an optional fan at the foot of the case). An effective dust airfilter like ptaf12-2b or ptaf14-2b. The compatibility with options as pci-01. preserve the reset button. in the solutions of mixed cooling (air and watercooling) the 60 mm height is not sufficient for the recent aio (radiators and fans).

CyrilFebruary 23, 2014 at 12:28 pmReply

I really like the B16 front design.
But like it has been said, 3x120mm fans in front would be nice, one single 5.25 bay is enough.
A PSU cover would be nice too.

Please product it, i need a new case, tired of my B71 ^^

SheldonFebruary 26, 2014 at 3:40 pmReply

These cases look great, so close to being perfect, would buy the PC-B16 right here and now if I could…

Few things to think about changing.
1. Put a reset button under the slider with the USB (far right).
2. Make it so a 360/280 can fit in front, even if some bays are forfeited.
3. Make sure the case is as sturdy as a tank.

The WizardFebruary 26, 2014 at 4:52 pmReply

The PC-B16 is amazing, so beautiful and would buy in an instant.

Few minor tweaks:
1. Make front 240/280 compatible.
2. Put the missing restart switch in the recessed area with USB ports and headphone jacks.
3. For the B-16, is the air vents in the front necessary? It seems very restrictive with double blockage. Rather make the fans visible through cutouts, so when you open the door you can see the same as if you removed the top mesh.

Josef, spainMarch 20, 2014 at 1:01 pmReply

Sorry for my little english, but I want to say something.

In general I like the B16, specially the look of it, but I think you are really wrong whith the open top grill of the B16. If someone wants to build a silent chasis (for what is intended, right?) it has no sense. I untherstand you want to make it for flexibility but for a silent builder that is a stupid decision.

There are two new similar chasis B16 and A61? right. Why not targeting diferent coustomers, and specialice each? B16 for silent and A61 for more perfomance oriented builders? So, leting the open grill in the A61, but closing it in the B16 have much more sense for my.

Also agree whith those saying 2×5.25 bays are more than enough in thes days. For me, the ideal is a small groove, whit a solt in dvd. I untherthand lots of people still use comon dvd, hot swap bays, fan controls… but 4×5.25???

Flexibility??? If you’re doing a silent case, please make a silent case first, (and I’m sure you know how), then make it as flexible as possible. But not other way around, because there will be neither one nor the other.

I think it’s a matter of putting priorities in the right order.

Finally a minor isue. What is the sense of the loker in the door if you can remove all? I think It would be beter if you remove it and make the door swappable.

DavidApril 11, 2014 at 11:13 amReply

When are these going to become available?

I’m looking at getting the B16. Love the combination of locking front door and cooling options.

Lian Li TechApril 14, 2014 at 1:44 amReply

Hi David,

They should be available in a couple of months.

norbert geiblingerMay 8, 2014 at 9:55 pmReply

i like most of the design from the b16 – swappable door would be nice but i think it´s difficult to make – you need another place for the leds – oh, i´m old school and i´m always very happy when there is not need for a reset, on the other hand it would be nice to have a reset switch

the thing with the 5.25″ bays is this – for me are 4 bays right

for example i wanna built a audio workstation with bluray, frontpaneel for firewire or thunderbolt, hotswap for 3.5″ / 2,5″ and one for fan controlling – that´s 4 – perfect at least for me

8 instead of 7 pci-e slots would be nice too for add-on cards – one vertical over the psu for example

aha, available in a couple of month – i hope that´s not to late for me

PKMay 12, 2014 at 3:24 pmReply

1. The tooless optical drive bay mechanisms are missing.
2. Ditch the window concept – that’s not what Lian-Li is known for.
3. You need to put front ventilation in the PC-A61 (it’s obvious the engineers realise this as an issue or otherwise they would have put fan filters on the front intakes).
4. I worry that the HDD caddies will vibrate due to the design.

PKMay 13, 2014 at 6:12 amReply

Forgot to mention:

5. Need a reset switch.

norbert geiblingerMay 16, 2014 at 4:44 amReply

hello mr lian li tech

i have ordered one now for a new audio (and graphic) workstation

it´s the pc-b16 – ha, ha, oh, yes, life is risc – as stated above i like the idea with 4 5.25″ slots – for a workstation it´s really nice to have (bluray, quick (hotswap) hdd change, cardreader and fan-controller)

for the reset switch – i think i can life without one and when not i buy the bz-uo8b – by the way, macs don´t have one since years (if that helps anybody)

DavidSeptember 4, 2014 at 4:01 amReply

I recently received my PC-B16 and am setting it up to use the optional 3rd front fan but an looking for a good solution for vented 5.25 bay covers that screw on like the solid ones that come with the case. The BZ-503 looks like it would work perfectly but I can’t find anyone that has one for sale in the US.

Lian Li TechSeptember 12, 2014 at 9:06 amReply

Hi David,

It is not available in the US, but you can order straight from us. Please fill out our contact form to do so.

http://www.lian-li.com/en/contact-us/

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